The problem is Networks are interested in selling advertising, the audience simply dosn't count. It is the "perseption" of audience that matters. If they have highlight to advertisers that a programme has such and such an audience and that advertiser buys into it. It doesn't matter whether that audience is there or not.
catbrain
· 2 years ago
fourthof5: agreed - generally, the programs are only there to get the audience through to the next ad; except in cases where certain programming is legislated, such as news. I do find it interesting that Ch10 didn't offer any ads, even on a trial basis, for the downloads of Supernatural - you'd think there'd be at least one company out there willing to give it a go.
Do you think perhaps a reason that networks aren't offering more programs/content for download might relate to the relatively crap speeds and limits we have here? Broadband take-up has certainly boomed in the last 12 months, but high-speed/ADSL2+ is still quite expensive and most download limits are pretty lame - if you're using torrents or the like you also chew up your limit with upload. The downloads for Supernatural also require a certain spec and if you don't meet it, you get audio but no video.
Ross
· 2 years ago
Obviously I haven't read the reports of his study in detail, but I fail to see how it could be anything but subjective at best.
A representative sample of which shows? From where?
We have a much smaller market here than say the states. Not everything from there makes it into the screen here at all. How is that counted? Or is it just comparing shows that screened here over the past two years? If so does it take into account that most shows have a drop in ratings as they go on?
From experience I would suggest most shows seem to come on with around the same lag - Fall season shows start here in Feb or maybe mid year.
You can make stats do whatever you want (87% of people know that). I think the main difference is people are far more involved with television and have more idea of what is going on, thanks largely to the internet. And that gives more people the opportunity to say 'why aren't seeing this, why aren't we seeing that?'
Some shows seem to take a while (Extras Season 1), some seem to come quick (Extras Season 2), but it doesn't feel much different to me.
Am I alone on this? Does anybody else think the study is more likely flawed than accurate? Or does everybody else think 'yeah, there's much more lag - that's why we're all pirates'?
fourthof5
· 2 years ago
No I have the feeling there are some flaws in it. From my expirence shows are a few months different between the states and here. the exception of anything SF. SF is treated horribly by the networks here. BSG (Battlestar Galactica) is still in the second season here and is nearly finished its third in the states (that includes a couple of months hiatus).
Ross
· 2 years ago
That's complete correct about sci-fi - lucky if it gets shown at all.
But using BSG as an example - 10 tried it in a prime timeslot, then it has been shunted around to different timeslots and stuck in as a summer fill. Obviously any treatment of this sort this will increase the lag time.
There are heaps of shows like this that kind of linger in the schedules with no real homes and there are constantly new shows starting which this happens to. Again, we have a much smaller market and not everything gets shown.
You could start his study at any point and jump forward 2 years and claim lag time was on the up.
He singles out the O.C., but look at Jericho. It was the other day and date program, 10 screening it within 24 hours of the US. But it has already started back in the states and no sign of it here. Does this prove his theory that lag time is increasing? (My God! That means in just 6 months lag time has increased from less than 24 hours to 3 weeks, 4 weeks, or however long it takes 10 to get off their arses and show it. It's out of control! etc, etc)
Or is this simply an example of the way television here works?
catbrain
· 2 years ago
I agree Ross - it's a piss-poor article but was useful for generating discussion.
I don't feel that lag times have increased at all... as you say, more people are aware of what's going on and as a result more people complain. Yes, we have a much smaller market which means much less revenue and if a network picks the "wrong" new show in primetime here it's not as simple as going out and trying to buy the "right" show.
Short-season shows like Extras tend to get put on hold until a second season is available - the vagaries of 6-8 eps per season in the UK, generally 22eps per in the US and somewhere in the middle (usually around 13 eps) for local productions.
Star Trek - The Next Generation had a regular timeslot for years on Nine - wasn't it Tuesday nights after Nightline? This notion that the networks seem to follow, that a lower-rating show can't have a regular timeslot, is ridiculous, particularly when there are examples such as The Sopranos and Huff. It's probably more about the advertising revenue and the types of ads/advertisers they want for a particular slot. See, it all comes back to the ads!
fourthof5
· 2 years ago
Well we are still waiting for Life on Mars in OZ. Its now in its second season in the UK and is perhaps one of the best shows on TV at the moment. It only has an 8 ep season, so its not like it would be a huge effort to air it.
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Do you think perhaps a reason that networks aren't offering more programs/content for download might relate to the relatively crap speeds and limits we have here? Broadband take-up has certainly boomed in the last 12 months, but high-speed/ADSL2+ is still quite expensive and most download limits are pretty lame - if you're using torrents or the like you also chew up your limit with upload. The downloads for Supernatural also require a certain spec and if you don't meet it, you get audio but no video.
A representative sample of which shows? From where?
We have a much smaller market here than say the states. Not everything from there makes it into the screen here at all. How is that counted? Or is it just comparing shows that screened here over the past two years? If so does it take into account that most shows have a drop in ratings as they go on?
From experience I would suggest most shows seem to come on with around the same lag - Fall season shows start here in Feb or maybe mid year.
You can make stats do whatever you want (87% of people know that). I think the main difference is people are far more involved with television and have more idea of what is going on, thanks largely to the internet. And that gives more people the opportunity to say 'why aren't seeing this, why aren't we seeing that?'
Some shows seem to take a while (Extras Season 1), some seem to come quick (Extras Season 2), but it doesn't feel much different to me.
Am I alone on this? Does anybody else think the study is more likely flawed than accurate? Or does everybody else think 'yeah, there's much more lag - that's why we're all pirates'?
But using BSG as an example - 10 tried it in a prime timeslot, then it has been shunted around to different timeslots and stuck in as a summer fill. Obviously any treatment of this sort this will increase the lag time.
There are heaps of shows like this that kind of linger in the schedules with no real homes and there are constantly new shows starting which this happens to. Again, we have a much smaller market and not everything gets shown.
You could start his study at any point and jump forward 2 years and claim lag time was on the up.
He singles out the O.C., but look at Jericho. It was the other day and date program, 10 screening it within 24 hours of the US. But it has already started back in the states and no sign of it here. Does this prove his theory that lag time is increasing? (My God! That means in just 6 months lag time has increased from less than 24 hours to 3 weeks, 4 weeks, or however long it takes 10 to get off their arses and show it. It's out of control! etc, etc)
Or is this simply an example of the way television here works?
I don't feel that lag times have increased at all... as you say, more people are aware of what's going on and as a result more people complain. Yes, we have a much smaller market which means much less revenue and if a network picks the "wrong" new show in primetime here it's not as simple as going out and trying to buy the "right" show.
Short-season shows like Extras tend to get put on hold until a second season is available - the vagaries of 6-8 eps per season in the UK, generally 22eps per in the US and somewhere in the middle (usually around 13 eps) for local productions.
Star Trek - The Next Generation had a regular timeslot for years on Nine - wasn't it Tuesday nights after Nightline? This notion that the networks seem to follow, that a lower-rating show can't have a regular timeslot, is ridiculous, particularly when there are examples such as The Sopranos and Huff. It's probably more about the advertising revenue and the types of ads/advertisers they want for a particular slot. See, it all comes back to the ads!