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Re: Boxcutters Episode 97

jebo — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:07:30 -0000

if it's not too late to weigh into the debate (i've been away!), nice call jimbo - i've been umming and ahhing about suggesting SITC myself. if nothing else, i think it was quite instrumental in breaking down the barriers for lots of my favourite 4 letter words out into mainstream regular useage. i'm sure it wasnt the first show to use abundant profanity or regularly call body parts by their favourite nicknames, but it was popular and with the clever use of the (rather unlikely) friendship showcasing charlotte's coy 50's sensibilities, samantha and miranda's call it like you see it attitudes and carrie's middle of those extremes, it appealed to a large range of women. and with those bodies and short, short skirts, probably appealed to a large range of blokes too.

i imagine shows like weeds and deadwood, to name but a few, might've been a little different had SITC not existed.

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Brett — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:48:20 -0000

Ooh, just had a look at Californication - I like it a lot. I don't think the daughter's hair is black enough to be an Emily Strange clone. It's just the fringe - which is what hte kids are doing these days...

Ross, I think you need to go with ep9 of JFC as a meditation and allow it to unravel in its own time. It's like the big intake of breath before the climax.

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Rob Boxcutter — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:59:12 -0000

Ross, wasn't there at least a redeeming Bill (Ed O'Neill) moment in it? He gets such good lines. I discovered recently that Milch wrote Al Swearengen specifically for Ed O'Neill, but they couldn't get him.

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Ross — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:49:49 -0000

That is an interesting theory Catbrain - if I only I had been that interested by watching the ep.

Thank God there is only one ep to go.

Also, can anyone fill me in on what Butchie's implants actually are? Is it just fake hair? Hooks to suspend himself with? A failed brain? Horns?

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Brett — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 23:02:08 -0000

Ross, I'm pretty sure there's only one episode to go in the first season.

Cissy gave me the absolute shits, being a complete harridan, however David Milch sees her nobility in the way that, when it comes down to it, she's out there with Shaun's photo, doing whatever she can to find him. Personally, I don't think that's enough to make up for her antisocial behaviour.

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catbrain — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:20:41 -0000

The Christian symbolism is coming in thick in JFC... I reckon that ep ties in heavily with how the disciples are depicted b/w Jesus' death and resurrection - he's gone, they don't know what's going on yet. It was probably a necessary ep (if that's what Milch is trying to portray), but I agree - it was pretty slow and crappy, and Cissy was a complete pain in the arse!

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Ross — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:16:53 -0000

By the way people - John From Cincinatti is definitely losing the fight after this week's shocker of an episode.

I will keep watching but only because there is a mere three eps to go (hopefully) and I've come this far.

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Ross — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:14:39 -0000

Maybe Channel 10 are waiting to see what the washup is from the first couple of Californications and going from there.

I still can't imagine it on free to air here, but I guess it's coming.

Catbrain - Kat is so awesome in Weeds. I can't wait to see what she's up to next. Amazing character. Makes Andy look mild and normal.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 97

Rob Boxcutter — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:35:08 -0000

I don't understand. If Channel Ten can air Californication a mere fortnight after it first airs in the States, then why can't it air the show on or about the same day as they do in the States???

Gratuitous use of punctuation!!!???

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alex boxcutter — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:50:04 -0000

I just realised that post may have been a spoiler of some sort and may also have sounded a bit (unintentionally) seedy...I wish I could edit my posts!! :)

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alex boxcutter — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:38:39 -0000

holy crap the little girl from the nanny just socked Mulder in the jaw whilst topless.....twice!!!

I think I'm going to like californication!

Re: Boxcutters Episode 97

Rob Boxcutter — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:04:50 -0000

By the way, is the podcast now regularly on Sunday nights?

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Adam D — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:36:15 -0000

Top Gear has the potential to single-handedly affect television (you can even watch it on Emirates flights now), but right now it's just a bloody good show.

I have an interest in cars as a result of Top Gear. In any other context this wouldn't even make sense.

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Brett — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:35:42 -0000

I watch the second ep of Sports Night last night - The Apology - and Dan's rant about drugs being a health issue not a justice issue was VERY Toby. I think there was a much simpler validation of his position in the episode than there was ever the opportunity for in WW.

@markymarc: I definitely don't think of Top Gear as a car show. It's a comedy about three boys having their imaginary games brought to life, with possibly the best production values of any show on TV.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 97

Rob Boxcutter — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:36:24 -0000

@Josh
I thought Thora Birch in "Ghost World" was first

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Josh — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:20:36 -0000

@markymarc
You mean the human embodiment of Emily Strange? It scares me that she has manifested outside of emo schoolgirls' bags.

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markymarc — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:01:21 -0000

"24. (split screens in mainstream). Ever since 911 I have been expecting a remake of Invasion of the Body snatches (everytime there is a cultural fear of the unknown it comes out in SF). But that didnâ€™t happen. What we got was show like 24 which dealt with the idea of cultural fear."

SOOOO agree... also just watched CALIFORNICATION.... really dug it, though the boobs are totally unnessary and the actress who plays his daughter is horrendous.

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markymarc — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:55:38 -0000

actually - ive really got to second BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. shame about the title, and the pedigree because its far and away one of the best show in production at the moment. Certainly in terms of the Sci-Fi lineage, I think the X-FILES is at least worthy to consider. And lets face it - its the 'discussion' about these tv shows that makes GAT such a great segment. I mean the dissagreement of SFU is still one of the best interrogations/analyses (sic) of that show i've heard in ages.

I think you could have a great discussion about whether or not 'TOP GEAR' or THE DAILY SHOW' really fundamentally affected tv genres?

And cultural importance should surely be a consideration, i think the comment about STAR TREK and its contribution is valid - but seriously THE WEST WING - a 'democrat' show that mostly ran throughout a 'republican' administration. For a lot of us, it became the fantasy government we wished that we had. I can only speak for myself but, watching dubya on the newsmade the west wing all the more poignant and compelling. Context can be incredibly important in shifting the experience of a show...

ok... shuffling off the critic-soapbox...sorry:)

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jimbo — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:29:44 -0000

Because stationery's clever.

Next week we shall see just how clever!

I think the state of political satire -especially in Australia - is pretty dire if we have to consider the Chaser boys and The Daily Show for GAT. They're great, but I'm not sure they're genre-busting.

I'm gonna get absolutely flailed here, but has anyone considered Sex and the City?

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fourthof5 — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:28:27 -0000

Bah forgot one.

Band of Brothers (that has to be in there surly).

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fourthof5 — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:23:06 -0000

Ok on a second go (now that I remember its for the last ten years)

Top Gear. (great if your a petrol head great if your not)

24. (split screens in mainstream). Ever since 911 I have been expecting a remake of Invasion of the Body snatches (everytime there is a cultural fear of the unknown it comes out in SF). But that didn't happen. What we got was show like 24 which dealt with the idea of cultural fear.

Doctor who.... yeah yeah I know, but its still on so I get to claim that one.

Life on Mars (truly unique show with great writing)

Dexter (brilliant concept and excellent writing)

Battlestar Galactica (part SF part soap part drama)

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Josh — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:37:59 -0000

I am absolutely loving all this talk of GAT. Is there anything else you think is missing?

I'm sure the envelope will have all the answers next week when we do our summary.

Obviously a lot of people think West Wing, but what does the envelope think? And why have we started to anthropomorphise stationery?

@FulltimeCasual
We'll post the full list next week after we've done the summary, post-mortem, debrief, and explanation.

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FulltimeCasual — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:40:31 -0000

hey kids, long time listener, short term brett cropley cyber stalker.

anyhoo, just wondering if we can get that list of all the gats: all i cn remember are:
The Shield
The Wire
Six Feet Under
The Sopranos
Arrested Development
The Larry Sanders Show
Deadwood.

which ones did i miss?

Re: Boxcutters Episode 97

catbrain — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:35:13 -0000

Good call on Top Gear, Nigel P. It's been the rise and rise of special interest programs in recent years and TG really is the standout in that genre. I fully support its nomination - nerd made sexy.

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Nigel P — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:12:44 -0000

Firstly "Language warning"

Ahh Channel 10, they always wonder why people download the series before they screen on channel 10. Then when they put on a good series (Torchwood, Battlestar Galactica, Veronica Mars, etc) they always cancel it halfway through the season, and replace it with what?? REPEATS.

Channel 10 F*** you, I've given up waiting for Idol, Bigbrother and I cant dance to finish when I wish to watch a show. I'm going to get people to download them for me and watch them this way instead (I'll probably get BSG on DVD before it screens). I got Torchwood before it screened here, but gave Channel 10 a chance and actually watched it but guess what I'm not going to stay up till midnight to watch it.

Hmm that was tamer than I though. I'm now going for a rant (and I guess a ban) on Ten forums. I've noticed they remove the forums for axed or moved shows rather quickly these days, so have to do it in the general forum.

BTW: GAT. West Wing vote, plus you can do a rant about how Channel 9 stuffed it up and how the ABC saved it. I'd also jump in with Top Gear "reimanged" which took a dull car show and made it interesting to the rest of the world. Dunno if its up there for an overall thing, but for changing the way car shows are done, its groundbreaking.