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Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

catbrain — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:44:48 -0000

'Time Crash' was wonderful - you could really sense the genuine emotion from Tennant. And they've effectively made it canon with its placement. Nice work.

Did I read or hear somewhere that they're getting rid of the sonic screwdriver in the next series because it's being used too conveniently (which also harks back to Peter Davison era)?

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

Adam D — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:12:13 -0000

[i]“Time Crash” anyone?[/i]

Someone had to pull him up for 'wearing a vegetable.' Several minutes of joy.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

Ross — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:00:45 -0000

Belly pork.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

jimbo — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:04:33 -0000

By the way Brett, we've got serious things to talk about. The Rainbow?? What???

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

ActualChad — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:12:53 -0000

desktop
decorative vegetable
beard

pisser.

Moffat is the shiznit.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

catbrain — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:31:12 -0000

Oooh, cheers ActualChad - had forgotten it was that time of year! Looks interesting, and I always had a soft spot for Peter Davison, even if that era of the Doctor was a bit naff and we had to endure the dreadful Tegan.

AND it's a Moffat - yippee!

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

ActualChad — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:04:58 -0000

Meanwhile...

"Time Crash" anyone?

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

Ross — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:15:45 -0000

I saw the mic again - it's a cube deal with dots on opposite sides and 9s on opposite sides.

Unless there is something new in the works it really doesn't look that different to what has been used all year.

Like Gyngell's return in general - lots on lots of very healthy press for a seemingly minor change...

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

jimbo — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:37:34 -0000

Ross, I really don't know. But I wish someone would tell me... so I can order some new stationery!

By the way, I know there are seemingly millions of puns to be made by calling them balls. But in-house they've always been the dots, and the logo's always been called the dotty Nine. As in, walking back into the newsroom wih exclusive pictures, handing over the tape to the tech boys and declaring, "Gimme a big dotty Nine on this one boys!"

Platforms? Is someone catching a train?

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

David Boxcutter — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:13:09 -0000

PS: Fuck off with the Mac v Windows and whatever else conversations. WHAT.EVER.

It's not a Mac vs. Windows conversation. It's a Brett versus reality debate. I think Brett's the only one treating it as a platform war.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

Bolden — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:43:32 -0000

I'd like MediaWatch to be a little more like the old RRR show 'The Spin', and yes, investigate the influences as well.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

Ross — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:28:49 -0000

I saw a mic at a new conference yesterday that was just dots. No Nine there at all.

Is that the new logo?

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

catbrain — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:22:53 -0000

Channel Nine could do some contra deal with Domino's and use their slogan: "I've got the hots for what's on the box with the dots!"

It'd be better than I [heart] TV.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

catbrain — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:18:07 -0000

@ jimbo: if you've only got dots I guess you'd lose in a pissing competition with Jonathon Holmes (which seems to be what's going on around here at the moment).

I like the idea of Media Watch looking more at the media as a whole and its influence/how it is influenced, rather than just specific examples. Anyone with half a brain can sit back and say "tut tut" when yet another newspaper or current affairs program breaks some Code of Ethics or whatever (which doesn't apply to TV presenters, as evidenced by the recent injunction against The Chaser that referred to Anna Coren as a "performer"). I only hope it doesn't turn into a series of Media Studies lectures. (I've never understood why people who seem to really rather dislike the media in all its forms devote so much time to deconstructing it...)

I am, however, dubious about the use of the word "fun" in that Age article, although if it's "fun" like Clarke & Dawe on The 7.30 Report or 'Talking Pictures' on Insiders, I'll love it.

@ Josh: there's always been an element of pedantry and self-righteousness with MW - even Richard Ackland, who was by far the most laid-back of the lot.

PS: Fuck off with the Mac v Windows and whatever else conversations. WHAT.EVER. They should be banned from the blog. And slipping in a reference to Vista being like Sunrise doesn't make it about telly.

*stomps off*

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

Bolden — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:17:50 -0000

Now… has someone given me back my dots??!

I think you'll find they are your balls.

*tish* *boom*

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

jimbo — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:51:37 -0000

It's like a foreign language. I have no idea what any of that means. I have a cathrode ray tube - a fairly small one - in the corner. It has a cable box and a DVD player attached to it.

Beyond that, I can barely use Outlook. And I think I have a full (enough) life!

Jonathon Holmes. Good call. Fingers crossed.

Now... has someone given me back my dots??!

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

FulltimeCasual — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:03:19 -0000

you're right Josh...

OMG, is everyone up to date with Dexter? if you're not, catch up! Episode 9 was a balltearer.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

David Boxcutter — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:12:08 -0000

Guys, really. Aren’t there enough places on the web where people fight about who’s operating system would win in a fight with Superman and Spiderman?

Yes, Josh. But that's not what anybody's trying to do here. As I alluded to in my last couple of paragraphs, this might be a unique opportunity to analyse this phenomenon in an intelligent person who we "know" through the podcast.

One typically doesn't get that opportunity in the vast wilds of the crazy internet platform wars.

Let’s talk TV. No Virginia for Media Watch but instead Jonathan Holmes who could bring crankiness, self-righteousness and pedantry back to the screen.

What are your thoughts?

Isn't that the guy with the huge penis?

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

David Boxcutter — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:08:38 -0000

I’m talking about MacEvangelists in the outside world.

Again, you're talking about a fantasy. For all your talk of cults, it seems to be you who has been programmed into these fairytale beliefs about Mac users. You have totally swallowed the Kool-aid here. This is especially evident in your previous rant where you believe bogus rumours about how Apple is going to force a Safari bundle on you.

What kind of sites are you reading, and who are you listening to, that you are repeating this kind of nonsense?

Truly, I’m platform agnostic. My work necessitates that I work in a Windows environment.

Bullshit. If you're agnostic, why do you have such a warped view of a particular platform? And what the hell work do you do that necessitates a Windows environment? I can't think of any job that necessitates that apart from computer game critic, perhaps.

but I didn’t go around telling Windows users they’re losers who are a danger to themselves and a burden to others.

But who does this? No Mac user that I've ever met. There are many Mac users who listen to Boxcutters. These people are fully aware that you and other boxcutters use Windows. BUT NOBODY EVER SAID ANYTHING. You were the one who came out of left field making bizarre claims about people who use Macs.

You don't have to lookm very far aroiund the 'net to see that the Mac-hating is far more vicious and widespread than any Windows bashing. People may gently rib Windows users once in a while, but it's a far cry from the hysterical lies and trolling that is typical of the Mac haters.

Seriously, I can’t give a shit about who uses what, unlike MacEvangelists (ever meet Frank from the Mac Shop in Flinders Street?) who can’t just shut the fuck up if they find out you use Windows.

No, I have never met Frank. I also tend not to base my views of the world on the behaviour of that alcoholic urine-soaked guy who hangs around outside Young & Jacksons in Flinders street.

If only people like that (and given the point by point rebuffs you post, David, I suspect I’m speaking to one right now) would put the same energy into pressuring Apple to cease following the M$ path of bloatware,

Yeah right. Like we have any power to "pressure" Apple. And the fact is that many Apple fans DO EXACTLY THIS via their blogs. Go read a decent Apple blog sometime. It's not all praise - there is a lot of incisive criticism.

This is another thing you have wrong in your assessment of Mac users - they are extremely critical of Apple, and I have never met these unthinking drones that you speak of.

Please listen to what I’m saying. I can’t be fucked having a pissing competition about platforms and I’m not going to bother entering into this anymore.

Oh, the irony! You have been the one who has not listened to us this whole time. You got some very cogent replies to your last rant, and you ignored them all.

You are the one who has been having a pissing contest about platforms. If you actually read the replies, you might see that. Instead, you seem to be making stuff up and dismissing any replies as "boring".

Myself and other boxcutters addressed many of the problems you were having - but you ignored that. You so ignored the previous conversation that you seem to have forgotten what you said, and have this strange imaginary version of what others said in reply.

Nobody responded in the way you characterised. And your rant was NOT just about the Windows version of iTunes, as you claim. Tell me - what does "proprietary podcast tags" have to do with the Windows version of iTunes? And are you ever going to admit that you were wrong about needing a separate RSS feed for iTunes?

I guess anybody who points out your errors on this topic must be a "Mac Evangelist", huh?

I'd really like to understand where all this hatred comes from, Brett. I've never understood hate of any kind, and I've never understood trolling, or those who choose to believe propaganda. I really would like to understand this phenomenon, as it fascinates me. But any time I come across this irrationality, the person has never been able to hold a proper discussion about it.

The difference is that you generally seem like a pretty rational guy, Brett. perhaps you can hold the crazy in check long enough to analyse and discuss it? or is that too boring for you?

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

sealfur — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:00:16 -0000

Guys, really. Aren't there enough places on the web where people fight about who's operating system would win in a fight with Superman and Spiderman?

Let's talk TV. No Virginia for Media Watch but instead Jonathan Holmes who could bring crankiness, self-righteousness and pedantry back to the screen.

What are your thoughts?

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

FulltimeCasual — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:13:14 -0000

brett,

ubuntu is great, os x is great, xp is tolerable, vista is the os equivalent of Sunrise.

its ok. we can live together. but i believe you were trying to paraphrase Roy and HG but messed it up.

its "you're an embarrassment to yourself and a burden on the rest of us."

remember, us mac kids make up only 4% of the market, thats why we have to defend our platform so much. You windows kids are the privileged white guys of the market. you just dont understand the prejudice we face, and you never will.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

Brett — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:45:19 -0000

BORED!

I'm talking about MacEvangelists in the outside world.

Truly, I'm platform agnostic. My work necessitates that I work in a Windows environment. Fact of my life. I've used Macs in the past - I liked them - but I didn't go around telling Windows users they're losers who are a danger to themselves and a burden to others.

What I'm really passionate is open source. I'd run all Linux if the apps of my work were all available there and my audience was on open source platform as well. (You can't QA without the same mamchine that 90% of your users are running.)

Seriously, I can't give a shit about who uses what, unlike MacEvangelists (ever meet Frank from the Mac Shop in Flinders Street?) who can't just shut the fuck up if they find out you use Windows.

If only people like that (and given the point by point rebuffs you post, David, I suspect I'm speaking to one right now) would put the same energy into pressuring Apple to cease following the M$ path of bloatware, they'd have a truly killer platform with truly killer apps and the whole world would be using it because it would be the only serious choice (apart from the great open source community contributions).

Please listen to what I'm saying. I can't be fucked having a pissing competition about platforms and I'm not going to bother entering into this anymore.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

FulltimeCasual — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:53:20 -0000

ahh brett,

you knew exactly what you were doing when you mac bashed. meh. as i've said before, i've got 4 macs, but thats because fcp has me by the balls.

regardless of what you think of itunes, and for the record, it works beautifully on my macs, you must realise that without itunes you'd have 3 listeners. 4 if you include mrs ross.

podcasts were only listened to by ubergeeks til the worlds biggest jukebox platform added a podcast section.

but back to telly, i really wish i had listened to this before recording episode 6 of fulltimecasual, my review of mel and kochies election extravaganza was just a repeat of yours.

great episode boys.

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

David Boxcutter — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:30:36 -0000

Whaddaya know - looks like I was wrong about the fishing being no good…

So, you admit you were trolling?

Has someone been posting under my name around here or something? I don’t recall ever slamming the entire Mac platform nor claiming the users are deluded or ripped off

You must have a short memory. This is what you said in the comments section to episode #105:

I just wonder how long the sheep-like bleating of the Mac-evangelists will go on before they wake up to themselves and to what Apple are over-charging them for.

Don't you think my summary of your position was accurate? What is "sheep-like" if not deluded? What is "over-charging" if not ripped off?

As to "Mac Evangelists" - it seems that anybody who says anything positive about the platform, or corrects falsehoods about it, is immediately labelled an "evangelist".

What I did do, once, was to write a veritable essay on my complaints about iTunes on the Windows platform.

Except you went far beyond that and said many things that aren't true. If you were just talking about iTunes on Windows, why did you bring the Mac platform into it?

You were the one who started this platform war, Brett. It was never a problem before, everybody was happily using their platform of choice. You chose to cast the first stone.

So, even though you start the fight, you then choose to blame some imaginary people - and claim you are "platform agnostic" in an extraordinary effort at backpedalling.

I find it dull when a MacEvangelist takes it upon themselves to lecture me on how fucking awesome the Mac is and how shit Windows is.

Except nobody did that. In the entire history of Boxcutters, I don't remember anybody lecturing anybody on how awesome the Mac is, nor anybody saying how shit Windows is.

I think these "MacEvangelists" may be a fabrication of your imagination.

Computers are simply tools - like hammers.

Exactly. So, why did you go on about how Mac users are sheep - when everybody else was saying "Calm down, iTunes is just a tool"?

The cult of Mac, the cult of the iPod, the cult of Steve Jobs… you’d think people that can effectively use a computer would have more questioning minds than to mindlessly defend and recruit for Apple. When Jobso comes out with the Kool-Aid, will you ask yourself exactly what it is that you’re sacrificing yourself for?

And this is the heart of the nonsense. The "Cult of Mac" doesn't even exist. It's just a fabrication by haters.

And to be completely clear, none of this is slagging off all the users of a brand of computer - it is specifically about the mindless drones.

So, who in particular are you talking about here?

I’m not interested in expending energy (and yet, look at what I’m doing) on debating it with someone that’s never going to accept any of the valid arguments put forward and come back with “It works fine on my Mac”. Boring!

Again, nobody said that, so who are you talking to?

What happened was that you received very specific rebuttals and answers to you complaints - such as the "Proprietary Podcast tags" gripe. Yet you ignored all of those. You didn't reply to any of the articulate replies you received. Instead you continue deeper into this fantasy of "Mac cults" and other such nonsense.

Nobody on Boxcutters responded with "It works fine on my Mac".

Re: Boxcutters Episode 112

Brett — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:46:32 -0000

Whaddaya know - looks like I was wrong about the fishing being no good...

Has someone been posting under my name around here or something? I don't recall ever slamming the entire Mac platform nor claiming the users are deluded or ripped off - though, now I mention it, I think the Mac has a certain premium added for the black skivvy effect.

What I did do, once, was to write a veritable essay on my complaints about iTunes on the Windows platform. It's a fairly usable application but it's a complete memory hog when it's running and Apple just keep on adding permanently running processes and services to assist peripherals that I don't own.

I find it dull when a MacEvangelist takes it upon themselves to lecture me on how fucking awesome the Mac is and how shit Windows is. Computers are simply tools - like hammers. I don't expect to be hammering away with my claw hammer and have some nork come up and rave about how great ball-peen hammers are - surely there's something psychological going on for MacEvangelists that they do exactly that.

The cult of Mac, the cult of the iPod, the cult of Steve Jobs... you'd think people that can effectively use a computer would have more questioning minds than to mindlessly defend and recruit for Apple. When Jobso comes out with the Kool-Aid, will you ask yourself exactly what it is that you're sacrificing yourself for?

And to be completely clear, none of this is slagging off all the users of a brand of computer - it is specifically about the mindless drones.

I'd detailed my experiences with iTunes on Windows in long format, I'm not interested in expending energy (and yet, look at what I'm doing) on debating it with someone that's never going to accept any of the valid arguments put forward and come back with "It works fine on my Mac". Boring!